Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 163:
Narrated Salim's father The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling in Mahai'a. I interpreted that as (a symbol of) epidemic of Medina being transferred to Mahai'a, namely, Al-Juhfa."
Narrated Salim's father The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling in Mahai'a. I interpreted that as (a symbol of) epidemic of Medina being transferred to Mahai'a, namely, Al-Juhfa."
When Prophet Mohammad dreamt of a black woman in his dream, he disparaged blacks once more to show that black people are a sign of epidemic.
So what does this mean?1) If you have a dream about Halle Berry, does this mean that you an epidemic will befall you?
a) Does this mean that you are a pervert if you think about black women?
b) Does Mohammad implicitly say that dreaming of black women is morally wrong as thinking about black women are a form of epidemic?
c) That black women are a bad omen?
d) Or just black people in general?
2) Does Mohammad say this because he viewed black women as ugly?
a) Did Mohammad (May peace be upon him) get a venereal disease after sleeping with one of the black women?
a) Did Mohammad (May peace be upon him) get a venereal disease after sleeping with one of the black women?
b) Or just get rejected by black women?
3) Is this Dr. Mohammad again, dterming that an epidemic will occur when one starts to thinking of black women?
4 comments:
Respnse to first:
How am I putting words into his (may peace be upon him) mouth? Mohammad's (may peace be upon him)words are timeless, and those are questions whether his words apply. Your analytical powers could not answer any of the questions.
2) Was Jesus a racist -
a) Whether Jesus is a racist or not has nothing to do with whether Prohphet Mohammad (may peace be unto him) was a racist or not. I know you cannot defend Prophet Mohammad (may peace be upon him) and as such need to deflect the attention.
b) The quote you illustrate and its meaning -
Mark 7:25-29 (Today's New International Version)
25 In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an evil [a] spirit came and fell at his feet. 26 The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27 "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."
28 "Lord," she replied, "even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs."
29 Then he told her, "For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter."
Why were the Gentiles called Dogs? Yes - it is highly offensive. The reason is embedded with Jewish prejudice at the time (Kilgallen 138).
[Kilgallen, John J. A Brief Commentary on the Gospel of Mark Paulist Press 1989 ISBN 0-8091-3059-9]
Mark tells the story of the Syrophoenician woman who finds Jesus at a friend's house in Tyre and begs him to heal her demon possessed daughter. He brushes her off, saying ""First let the children eat all they want,...for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs.", where the children are the children of Israel and the dogs are the Gentiles, a metaphor found in other Jewish writing (Kilgallen 138). "'Yes, Lord,' she replied, 'but even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs.'"
Rather than take offense, the woman picks up on Jesus’ reference to Jewish prejudices and makes the humble observation: “Yes, Lord; but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.”
“O woman, great is your faith,” Jesus replies. “Let it happen to you as you wish.” And it does! When she returns to her home, she finds her daughter on the bed, completely healed.
Is Jesus a racist - you make the call - he followed Jewish teachings, but reached out to a woman who was not Jewish because she had faith.
(Once again - whether Jesus is racist by the above passage has nothing to do with Mohammad's (may peace be upon him) own racism, which is on another plain compared to anyone else
Check out - Youtube.com/ahmadsquran3 and look for chapters:
104; 189 [Koran's general intolerance]
14; 52 [Islam against Christians)
16; 45; 113 [Islam against Jews]
20 [Islam carrying out African slavery]
22; 47; 134 [Islam hating Arabs]
39 [ Arab and Islamic Imperialism]
62 [Allah's chosen people]
Respnse to first:
How am I putting words into his (may peace be upon him) mouth? Mohammad's (may peace be upon him)words are timeless, and those are questions whether his words apply. Your analytical powers could not answer any of the questions.
2) Was Jesus a racist -
a) Whether Jesus is a racist or not has nothing to do with whether Prohphet Mohammad (may peace be unto him) was a racist or not. I know you cannot defend Prophet Mohammad (may peace be upon him) and as such need to deflect the attention.
b) The quote you illustrate and its meaning -
Mark 7:25-29 (Today's New International Version)
25 In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an evil [a] spirit came and fell at his feet. 26 The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27 "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."
28 "Lord," she replied, "even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs."
29 Then he told her, "For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter."
Why were the Gentiles called Dogs? Yes - it is highly offensive. The reason is embedded with Jewish prejudice at the time (Kilgallen 138).
[Kilgallen, John J. A Brief Commentary on the Gospel of Mark Paulist Press 1989 ISBN 0-8091-3059-9]
Mark tells the story of the Syrophoenician woman who finds Jesus at a friend's house in Tyre and begs him to heal her demon possessed daughter. He brushes her off, saying ""First let the children eat all they want,...for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs.", where the children are the children of Israel and the dogs are the Gentiles, a metaphor found in other Jewish writing (Kilgallen 138). "'Yes, Lord,' she replied, 'but even the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs.'"
Rather than take offense, the woman picks up on Jesus’ reference to Jewish prejudices and makes the humble observation: “Yes, Lord; but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.”
“O woman, great is your faith,” Jesus replies. “Let it happen to you as you wish.” And it does! When she returns to her home, she finds her daughter on the bed, completely healed.
Is Jesus a racist - you make the call - he followed Jewish teachings, but reached out to a woman who was not Jewish because she had faith.
(Once again - whether Jesus is racist by the above passage has nothing to do with Mohammad's (may peace be upon him) own racism, which is on another plain compared to anyone else
Check out - Youtube.com/ahmadsquran3 and look for chapters:
104; 189 [Koran's general intolerance]
14; 52 [Islam against Christians)
16; 45; 113 [Islam against Jews]
20 [Islam carrying out African slavery]
22; 47; 134 [Islam hating Arabs]
39 [ Arab and Islamic Imperialism]
62 [Allah's chosen people]
Human equality in Christianity?
When it comes to human affairs and relations, slavery is one of the back bones of the spine of Christianity and its principles: "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (From the RSV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
"A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:24)"
Deuteronomy 20:13-20
13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword (even the unarmed ones):
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.
Instant Death to Apostates (those who desert their religion) in the Bible's Old and New Testaments:
Let us look at Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
Let us look at what Jesus said in the New Testament in context:
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"
The Bible allows rape, slavery, the sex trade, and murder!
Judges 21: 10- 24 :
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."
Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
Numbers 31: 7-18 :
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
First, you are quoting from Jewish sources.
Are you saying that what Muslims do is right because the Tawrat said it is ok? If so, then why not incorporate the Tawrat into the Koran?
Second, Islam incorporates many beliefs from the Jews, Christians, Pagan Quraysh and Zoroastrian. If something is morally not right in those belief doctrines, does that provide a justification for Allah? Does that mean that Allah needs to rely on doctrines other than Islam to verify whether something is morally right or wrong?
Third, as to your point about the Tawrat being equally bad -
Here is a quote from www.prophetofdoom.net comparing and contrasting the God in the Tawrat and ALlah, and giving context to the passage you identify. The key to remember is why the order was given (who were the targetted people), and whether that order is open ended (does that order still exist).
These are not my words, but since you brought it up, and you worked so hard at proving your point by rationalizing Allah with the Tawrat, you should be enlightened as to reading that passage in some historical context. Enjoy!
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_13_The_Pedophile_Pirate.Islam
In the Torah, Yahweh asked the Israelites to kill once, as well. He told Moses and Joshua to remove those poisoned by the Canaanite religion from the land. They were like Muhammad's Muslims: immoral, terrorizing, plundering, enslaving, and murdering. Their religion was as corrupt as Islam - equally demonic. Yahweh recognized it was more compassionate to exterminate some Canaanites than it was to allow them to seduce millions. He made the right call, but the Jews failed to execute his order.
Let's consider Yahweh's moral justification for fighting. Imagine that you were God and knew the thousand people most responsible for the September 11th suicide bombings. You know that they have been poisoned to believe that mass murder is a service to you. Left alone, they will corrupt and murder thousands. Would you kill them before they perpetrated these crimes or would you let them go ahead?
Now move back in time to the dawn of the 20th century. As usual, the world is full of bad people and bad ideas, but two doctrines are especially lethal - Communism and Nazism. Because you've read their maifestos and have maneuvered in time, you know what is going to happen. Within their first three decades, these dictatorial, intolerant, and violent dogmas will lead directly to the annihilation of over fifty million people and to the indoctrination of a billion more. Given the opportunity, would you exterminate a few thousand aspiring Communists and Nazis to save the lives of the fifty million their regimes butchered? Would you do it to save a billion people from being forced into submission - forced to live in civil, religious, intellectual, and economic poverty? Would you do it to keep them from growing strong enough to kill you, your neighbors, and your children? What is the most moral, just, and compassionate choice?
Perhaps now you know why Yahweh ordered his people to slay the practitioners of a doctrine virtually identical to Islam. But don't get carried away. His last command to kill was 3,200 years ago. His command wasn't open ended. It was directed at a specific group of people, in a specific time and specific place. Apart from self defense, that's the end of the story.
So, when you hear Muslims defend their violent doctrine, saying that the Bible is equally warlike, you'll know the truth. Yahweh asked once. He identified the reason and the people. The order wasn't open ended, either. And, even if it were, there are no Canaanites to kick around. What's more, the Jews were expressly forbidden from taking a spoil. When the walls of Jericho fell, its storehouses remained filled. Children were not sent off into slavery; women were not raped as if they were booty. The Judeo-Christian scriptures have to be corrupted to inspire such horrible acts.
Allah, by contrast, gave Muslims hundreds of commands to kill. His orders were open-ended - surviving throughout time. And his intended victims were many: those who worshiped the one true God, many gods, or no gods at all. Allah especially hated Christians and Jews, ordering Muslims to fight them until they were "wiped out to the last." This is fundamental Islam - the very core of Muhammad's message.
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