Wednesday, August 27, 2008

USC MSA starting to remove some hadiths from their database

The USC MSA database removed several hadiths from their database. One of them that has been deleted is this one:

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

The reason for this removal was that USC said that this verse was racist, and advocated genocide.

The sad thing is that the MSA quickly relented and removed this verse.

I, by no means, advocate the message of the above hadith, but believe it should ultimately have been kept on the USC web page.

This is part of Islam's dogma. Muslims believe this. To know Islam, one must know all their beliefs. One cannot cherry pick what they like or dislike about faith. Otherwise, they themselves create a new faith, a new ideology.

Islam believes that the end of humanity will not occur until rocks call out to Muslims to annihilate Jews. (Coincidentally, Allah was the supreme rock god of the Kaba). This should not be hidden from the masses. Anyone who wants to make an informed decision about Islam should be able to find out.

Is a religion whose truth must be hidden worth believing in? If you do not know the tenets of your own religion, how can you expect to enter heaven and meet the 72 virgins?

Secondly, deleting this verse on a website will not make Muslims who hate Jews less aware of the existence of this verse.

However, deleting this verse on a website WILL MAKE MUSLIMS who do not hate Jews, ignorant of the brutality and cruelty that their religion advocates, and ultimately prevent Muslims, with common sense, from the requisite facts necessary to make informed decisions about their faith, and to question what they believe in.

But, then again, this may be part of Allah's master plan to prevent sensible Muslims from questioning their religion, and making an informed choice about their faith.

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Quran. 5:101-102)

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

This hadith is a prophecy. Removing it won't change the future. In fact its a sign that the scenario is near. The question is why will it happen? Why will even the trees and stones be inspired by Allah to "snitch" on the jews?

No doubt the jews & amerikans will initiate carpet bombing of the muslim world with nuclear weapons or something similarly sinister.

The deleted hadith won't just happen because its 'something to do'.

The muslims will be lead by Jesus AS. at this time and he will have a following enough to cover the upper parts of Mt. Sinai.

What happened to the rest of us?

hhashmo said...

WHat did happen to the rest of you?

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Isaid said...

Anonymous,

Have you considered cutting down on your medicine?

This is no prophecy. Muhammad was not equipped to make prophecies. All prophecies should be in the Quran as that is considered the direct word of God.

So this word of mouth narration compiled after Muhammads death by some guy called Bukhari or Muslim, does not mean it is divine.

It remains word of mouth from mere humans. Thus fallible.

But thanks for stating the obvious - Islam condones anti-semitism.

If the words in that hadith had been replaced by Muslim, we can onlyimagine the havoc and outrage among Muslims. Pressumably more embassy on fire and more demands for beheadins and issues of death fatwas.

Good to know. The hypocrisy is alive.

Isaid said...

By the way - they did not remove the hadith:

Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/041.smt.html

:)

Anonymous said...

May Allah have mercy on those for deleting from the ahadeeth. These are the words, saying and actions of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). The ahadeeth are a source of history of what was happening at the time of the Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him). A true source of history that has a isnaad all the way back to the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) If there is to be understanding between christians, jews and muslims; their must be understanding of the old texts and to delete them is an extreme misconception that it will in some way change things for the better. To change things for the better, understanding must come in that there are differences in our religions. And to accept these differences. If we start dissecting religious books because we do not like what is said in them, than we should also dissect the bible and the torah and all other writing that are disliked.
This is a shame to discard ahadeeth which is part of the muslim history collection.

Kamillah

Anonymous said...

I have just looked. Muslim 6985 is still there in all its glory.

Link

However, Abu Dawud 4462 - about executing homosexuals - is missing.

hhashmo said...

To comment #7:

Any missing Hadiths are bad. Thank-you for discussing thiat one

Anonymous said...

Kamillah,

Just like religion is dear to many people, politics, ideologies and culture can be important to other people.

So when you insist that hadiths should not be discarded even when being clearly insensitive, racist and anti-semitic, then will you also support that Mein Kampf (hitler's book) should be accesible in school libraries as a part of historiy preservance?

Should anti-muslim litterature also be readily avaliable on websites and in public libraries and schools?

Your logic is flawed, biased and disturbing to put it mildly.

Racist material should not be on such websites. How would you feel is zionist organizations wrote offensively about muslims and palestinians, inciting violence and killings of them? I suspect your logic will be rerverse there.

Brian said...

This hadith did not specifically say that the Jews woulb be exterminated. All it says is that Muslims are to susposedly kill many Jews. The Jews have been through this cycle many many times and yet have not been completely wiped out. The Koran quotes and refers to the Old Testament many times and the OT says I have made a Covanent with the Jews that will not be broken. I do not belive any such Covanent was made to the seed of Ishmael. Does this hadith "advocate" killing Jews, or just states a matter of fact?