Sunday, August 24, 2008

Response to Mr. Himed

Recently, a Mr. Himed accused me of possessing a "sick mind" who views the Prophet (may peace be un to him) through an immoral sexual filter.

So I accuse Mr. Himed as being a Kafr, and a Muslim hypocrite, a person who does not understand and appreciate Mohammad's sexuality like any Muslim should.

He touched her in order for her to move so he could bow down to God with head on the floor. He did not touch her for any sexual purpose. The reason you think like that is because you have a sick mind. You translate everything you read about the Prophet through your immoral sexual filter. Please read about the life of the Prophet Muhammad and you will see he devoted his life to worshipping God and helping the needy and poor and marrying women that were widows.

Mr. Himed, accuses me of not having read Mohammad's life and argues that Mohammad spent his life worshipping Allah (not Illah, which is the Arabic word for God, but ALlah, a name of a God). Well, I accuse Mr. Himed of not knowing the Quran or hadiths.

Unlike Mr. Himed, I as a true Muslim, will show my sources, and condemn Mr. Himed because he does not know the quran or hadith. I will break up my rebuttal into two parts - Part one will show that Mr. HImed is not thinking enough about sex, otherwise, he condemns the holy prophet of being sexually immoral.

Part 2 will show that Mohammad did not marry women who are widows, and dedicated his life to helping the needy.

Part 1:

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
"The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number. Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)."
(hmmmm... Seems Mohammad was not just devoting his time to praying all day, but with his strength of 30 men, satisfying his wives)

Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6:
The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270:
Aisha said, "I scented Allah's Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives." Mohammad smelled of sex...

So far, I am not using an immoral filter, but using Prophet Mohammad's filter of thinking of sex. You Mr. Himed are not thinking of sex enough, you sick bastard...

Prophet Mohammad's sexual prowess was so great, that even his wives would come to his house and watch him make sweet love.

Bukhari, Book 008, Number 3450:
Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had nine wives. They (all the wives) used to gather every night in the house of one where he had to come (and stay that night).

Even the Prophet Sulaiman was given similar strength.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74i:
Allah's Apostle said, "Once Solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) Tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's Cause

More importantly, even Allah, the greatest Illah (god), made sure to provide a divine revelation allowing our holy prophet (may peace be un to him) to have sex with whomever he wants.

Q33.50 : O Prophet! In addition to all your wives, slave girls and captured women, we have made lawful to you all your first cousins and any believing woman if she gave herself to you, and if you desire her (why would Allah say their is "no blame"? Is it because a man other than Mohammad would be blameworthy if he did what Prophet Mohammad did, or is it a divine revelation for all Muslims to do have all these sexual relations with all these women as Muslims like me are instructed to follow Mohammad's example as the perfect example)...

In fact, Allah would provide Mohammad divine revelations after sexual relations with Aesha, his child bride

Bukhari Vol 5 Bk57 N 119
Prophet said, By Allah, the Divine Inspiration never came to me while I was under the blanket of any woman except Aesha.”

Now tell me Mr. Himed, who is the one who is sick? I am thinking of sex like Mohammad. You are obviously not thinking about enough sex, you kafir.... you Muslim hypocrite. How dare you insult both Prophet Mohammad and I as being sexually immoral, when all I have done is try to follow the example of Prophet Mohammad's teachings by thinking of sex. Who knows, maybe Allah would provide divine revelations to me if I were as sexed up...

After all, SEX is an integral part of the quran... the quran was revealed while the firstMuslims practiced sexual relations


a) Mohammad's widows:

Yes, Mohammad took widows... widows who were captives after Muslim raids:

The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'"

Bukhari:V4B52N143; V5B59N523
"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed [by Muhammad], so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'"

Tabari IX:133
"Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives." "Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity."

"When Abu Sufyan learned that the Prophet had taken her, he said, 'That stallion's nose is not to be restrained!'" Tabari VIII:110

b) Mohammad dedicating his life to war booty, I mean charity...

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 351:
Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Booty has been made legal for me."

So there you have it Mr. Himed, I am the truer Muslim... I think of sex and riches, and how to kill husbands and tribes so that I may take their women because I am the true follower of Mohammad... You are a kafir... and you insult Prophet Mohammad. How dare you...

UNLESS, all of these hadiths, and quran revelations were included by the hadith and quran collectors to show how Mohammad was an immoral man, in which case, you are right Mr Himed, and that me, and my Prophet look at things with an immoral and sexually depraved way.


Mr. Himed said...

So I have been accused of being a “a Kafr, and a Muslim hypocrite, a person who does not understand and appreciate Mohammad's sexuality”
I have never been accused of this before in my life, but I guess there is a first for everything. I suspect the person who is accusing me is either a hermaphrodite or an atheist Muslim-basher. It is also possible that he or she is both. It would have been nice for the person to refute what I said without resorting to calling me an apostate or a hypocrite, but I feel better after having leveled a similar charge against him. So what he has done is taken a few hadith out of the thousands of hadith in Bukhari and attempted to paint a picture of the Prophet as being sex crazed.

As for Part 1 where he mentions the Prophet used to have sex with all his wives in one night, this hadith contradicts other hadith also in Bukhari such as

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 143:
Narrated 'Aisha: Whenever Allah's Apostle finished his 'Asr prayer, he would enter upon his wives and stay with one of them.

There are others, but I do not have the time to find them to show you that he only slept with one of them for each day. He may have visited all of them every day or night as the hadtih says

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 282:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.

I suspect the translation is wrong and I notice that every time it mentions (have sexual relations or intercourse with) , it is in parenthesis. We need the Arabic original to explain this discrepancy.

You also commented on a hadith from Bukhari, Book 008, Number 3450 and I believe you meant to say Sahih Muslim, not Bukhari. You said that “the Prophet Mohammad's sexual prowess was so great, that even his wives would come to his house and watch him make sweet love”

The hadith states : They (all the wives) used to gather every night in the house of one where he had to come (and stay that night).
You, again, are reading and interpreting this through your immoral and perverted sexual filter. Any normal person would not come away with thinking that his wives came to watch him have sex. You on the other hand, have been watching too much pornography and you are relating your experiences with what you read. They came to the house of the wife that he was supposed to be with that night. There is no mention of sex. And this hadith also proves my earlier point; that he slept with one woman every night.

As for Part 2, you mentioned two marriages of the Prophet that you could use to make your point that the Prophet killed men and then took over their wives. Why not mention the other widows such as Umm Habiba, Umm Salama, Hafsa, and Sawda bint zama who was 50 years old at the time and was reportedly not attractive. The reason why is that you don’t want to be fair in your judgment, you just want your position to be heard. Let me address your position anyways. You said the Prophet took

“widows who were captives after Muslim raids:”

So you think the Prophet purposefully raided tribes to take over the captive women. That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Now listen to mine. The Prophet never wanted to kill anyone nor did he ask to be a Prophet. He was chosen by God and the plans of God were for him to deliver the message of Islam. In the process of delivering the message, he and the Muslims were abused, humiliated and threatened with death. He preached for 13 years without ever raising a sword until Allah commanded the Prophet and the Muslims to fight back. When the fighting started, it was war. There is a saying that goes like this; War is Hell. In other words, it’s not a pretty thing. Polytheists had to be killed and some of those Polytheists had daughters or wives. The Muslims and the Prophet married some of those women and they accepted Islam on their own. Juwariyah bint Hartih and Safiyah were among those women. If what the Prophet did was so evil, that is, marrying a woman whom he had killed her Father, then why were they so happy to be married to the Prophet. Why did they never utter a word of discontent to being married to the Prophet? He slept with them and would lay there on the bed sleeping. Both of these women must have had the opportunity to take revenge and kill the man who killed their Fathers. Yet they were more than happy to be married to a Prophet of God and never did they regret marrying the Prophet. They understood that the Prophet came with the Truth and their parents followed Falsehood. You my friend are also following falsehood. Please be a man and have some courage and state you are an Atheist or whatever you are. Don’t pretend to be a Muslim to make your point. Just tell us which part of the Falsehood team you come from so we can have a good debate.

hhashmo said...

1) Taking a few hadith out of thousands

This argument is silly by saying I only cherry picked hadiths for 2 reasons:

a)Thousands of hadith talk about Mohammad's bathing habits, what one must do after taking a dump, splitting of inheritance (which twice as much goes to a man as opposed to a woman), etc, etc. I am not going to look through all of those because I dont care about what Mohammad did to clean himself after he took a dump

b) It is not important how many hadith their are, it is important whether Mohammad did these actions. If you accept the validity of the hdiths, you accept Mohammad did these. If he did, then he is a sexual being.

c) I don't have time to look through each surah verse. Here is one you should look up? Why does Islam forbid adoption? So Mohammad could marry his adopted son's first wife, thus banning adoption.

(see comment 3 to show this story)

What did Mohammad say about a man and woman who are not related being alone togethor? The woman should suckle the man... (As confirmed by top Egyptian clerics (although widely ridiculed for applying a correct hadith, which the other clerics said SHOULD not be applied today - as such making those clerics apostates to Mohammad)

(see comment 4)

2) Hadith interpretation - Be honest with yourself. Read the hadiths in Arabic, and translate them accordingly to you. DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF - Any religion worth lying about is not a religion worth believing in.

For example:

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 548:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "If Allah wants to do good to somebody, He afflicts him with trials."

Some Arabic translations state the believer is (Musaab), meaning being tested with affliction.
The current revised version reads as follows: The believer is (Musaan), meaning being protected and guarded.

This new version is clearly bastardized, as the next hadith by number clearly states:

Volume 7, Book 70, Number 549:

Narrated Aisha:

I never saw anybody suffering so much from sickness as Allah's Apostle

As such, it is plain that Mohammad was suffering, and in his way, wanted to show his followers that Allah shows his followers mercy by afflicting them with disease. This is totally contrary to the new translation "Musan" which states, as discussed above, "being protected and guarded.'

3)The "Prophet's" marriages - I am sure all those women he married after he killed their husbands, and fathers, etc loved him. The same way all of Genghis Khan's "wives" loved him after he conquered their towns, killed their husbands, and fathers, etc.

But, here are a couple of more hadiths for you. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CHECK THESE SOURCES

Tabari IX:133 "Juwayriyyah was chosen by the Messenger for himself on the day of the Muraysi raid from the captives." "Muhammad married Umm, who had embraced Christianity."

Tabari IX:137 "Allah granted Rayhanah of the [Jewish] Qurayza to His Messenger as booty. (FOr you Mr. HImed - note that the key word is booty - he received her only after she had been forced to watch him decapitate her father and brother, seen her mother hauled off to be raped, and her sisters sold into slavery, read up on what happened to the Qurayza Jews)

Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"

4) Sauda - Mohammad wanted to divorce her. He decided not to only aftershe promised her turn to Aisha (somewhere in Bukhari)

5)More sexuality in Islam -
Go nuts and read at your leisure...

6)Name calling -
You call me sexually immoral, I call you anapostate.

Ultimately, the truth is who is right about Mohammad. If I am right that he is a very sexual individual, that means you are an apostate. If you are right, then I am sexually immoral...

Please verify and read these hadiths. This is your salvation. Please know who your prophet is. Take the time to research him. Do not defend him until you know the truth.

MORE IMPORTANTLY - Do not defend him against your own morals and beliefs. I am sure you are a decent human being. Having a prophet like Genghis Khan, David Koresh, who says they are a prpohet from a loving God does not mean they ACTUALLY are a prophet from the God you claim to know.

hhashmo said...

Comment 3 -

The reason was so Mohammad could marry his former adopted son's wife:

Tabari VIII:1 "In this year the Messenger married Zaynab bt. Jahsh. "Allah's Messenger came to the house of Zayd bin [son of] Muhammad. Perhaps the Messenger missed him at that moment. Zaynab, Zayd's wife, rose to meet him. Because she was dressed only in a shift, the Holy Prophet turned away from her. She said: 'He is not here. Come in, you are as dear to me as my father and mother!' Muhammad refused to enter. Zaynab had dressed in haste when she heard that the Prophet was at her door. She jumped up eagerly and excited the admiration of Allah's Messenger, so that he turned away murmuring something that could scarcely be understood. However, he did say overtly, 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn!'"

Tabari VIII:2 "When Zayd came home Zaynab told him that Muhammad had come. Zayd said, 'Why didn't you ask him to come in.' Zaynab replied, 'I asked him but he refused.' 'Did he say anything.' 'Glory be to Allah Almighty, who causes hearts to turn.' So Zayd went to Muhammad. 'Prophet, I have heard that you came to my house. Why didn't you go in? Perhaps Zaynab has excited your admiration, so I will leave her.'"

Tabari VIII:3 "Zayd left her, and she became free. While the Messenger of Allah was talking with Aisha, a fainting overcame him. When he was released from it, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zaynab to tell her the good news? Allah has married her to me. Then the Holy Prophet recited [Qur'an 33] to the end of the passage. Aisha said, 'I became very uneasy because of what we heard about her beauty and another thing, the loftiest of matters - what Allah had done for her by personally giving her to him in marriage. I said that she would boast of it over us.'"

The above story is confirmed in the Quran -

33.037 YUSUFALI:
Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled.

In the same surah, Mohammad outlawed adoption as the way you describe it:

033.004 YUSUFALI:
Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way.

As well, Zaynab was Mohammad's cousin, and the same Surah makes it lawful for Mohammad to marry his cousins: "We have made lawful to thee ... daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts"

033.050 YUSUFALI:
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

hhashmo said...

Comment 4

Sahih Muslim:
Book 008, Number 3426:
Ibn Abu Mulaika reported that al-Qasim b. Muhammad b. Abu Bakr had narrated to him that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Suckle him so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) for you He (Ibn Abu Mulaika) said: I refrained from (narrating this hadith) for a year or so on account of fear. I then met al-Qasim and said to him: You narrated to me a hadith which I did not narrate (to anyone) afterwards. He said: What is that? I informed him, whereupon he said: Narrate it on my authority that 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) had narrated that to me.

Mohamed said...

Abrogation claims of Muslim Scholars

(The biggest lie against the Quran)


The fabricated concept of Quranic abrogation is probably the biggest single lie against the Quran. This fabrication was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

According to this concept, it is claimed that numerous verses in the Quran have actually been abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by non-Muslim writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book. The claim is based on the misinterpretation of the following verse:

"When we abrogate any ayat, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better one, or an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?" 2:106

The claim of abrogation is in complete contempt of God's words in the Quran:

"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS." 6:115

"A.L.R. This is a book whose AYATS HAVE BEEN PERFECTED" 11:1
"……the words of God are UNCHANGEABLE"10:64

As is plainly clear from the above Quranic words, God asserts that the words of the Quran are perfect, harbour no contradictions and cannot be abrogated. Yet sadly these scholars have invented the greatest lie against the Quran, claiming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses.

They base their claim on a corrupted interpretation of two verses:


"Whichever Ayah We relinquish or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?" 2:106

What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran.

However the word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:

a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:

"And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayah's (miracles)." 17:101

b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:

"And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people." 25:37

c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:

"He said, ‘My Lord, give me an ‘Ayah’ (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights." 19:10

d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:

"This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its ‘Ayat’ (verses)." 38:29

Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, we can easily spot that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:

1- The words "cause to be forgotten" could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.

2- The words "We replace it with its equal" would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!

3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words "cause to be forgotten" can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.

Similarly the words "We replace with its equal or with that which is greater" is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :

"And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah's they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it." 43:46-48


"When We substitute one Ayat (revelation) in place of another, and God is fully aware of what He reveals, they say, 'You made this up'. Indeed most of them do not know"

The substitution spoken of here is concerned with one of two things:

a- The substitution of one Scripture in place of another.

b- The substitution of one verse or law within a Scripture with another in a subsequent Scripture

a- The first meaning is given evidence to in the following verse:

"Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them." 5:48

Here, the words "superseding them." confirm that the previous scripture were substituted with the Quran.

b- The second meaning is also given evidence to in the Quran where various issues that were prohibited to the previous people of the book were made lawful in the Quran.

As an example, we are told in 2:187 that sexual intercourse between married couples during the nights of the fasting month was made lawful, while it was prohibited previously.

We are also told in 6:146 that God prohibited for the Jews all animals with undivided hoofs; and of the cattle and sheep the fat was prohibited. These were made lawful in the Quran.

This verse 16:101 does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another.

The evidence to that is given within the same verse (16:101):
The key to the meaning of the verse lies in the words:

"........they say, 'You made this up"

Here we must stop and ask, who is likely to tell the messenger "You made this up"? And why? For sure it cannot be his followers, his followers are not likely to tell him:

"You have made it up" has to be those who do not believe in him, which focuses on the followers of previous scripture who feared that their scripture was in danger of being "substituted" with the Quran............

What more evidence to that more than the fact that till this day, the Jews and Christians accuse Muhammad that he fabricated the Quran himself! If this accusation is from the Jews and Christians we must then ask, are they accusing Muhammad of substituting one verse in the Quran with another? The Jews and Christians do not care if one verse in the Quran is substituted for another, after all they do not believe in the whole book............. they will not complain that one verse in the Quran is being substituted with another! However, and if their Scripture is being substituted by the Quran, they will immediately accuse the messenger that the Scripture he brings (Quran) is not from God but that he "made it up" himself.

These glorious words "You have made it up" indeed stand as true indicator from God Almighty that the substitution spoken of in this verse is not related to one within the Quran, but indeed a substitution between two scripture.

As mentioned before, the substitution of the previous scripture with the Quran is confirmed in 5:48

As a result of the corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101, and the claim that some Quranic verses invalidate other verses, the interpreters have demonstrated their failure to uphold two main characteristics of the Quran, those being that the Quran is perfect and harbours no contradictions (11:1) and also that the words of God are unchangeable (10:64).

It is well worth inquiring here into the motive behind the interpreters corruption of the meaning of 2:106 and 16:101.

Perhaps the major reason is not connected to the Quran at all but to the ‘hadith’. It is well accepted among the hadith scholars that the concept of abrogation applies to the hadith since it is found that many ‘hadith’ contradict one another. The examples of these are too numerous. The following are only some examples:

P.S. (the first number is the number of the book (chapter), and second number is the number of hadith. For example Muslim 18/58 means the 58th hadith in the 18th book of Muslim. In other quotations the name of the chapter is given instead of its number.

1- "I am the most honourable messenger" (Bukhary 97/36).
This hadith contradicts the following hadith:
"Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah" (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).

2- "The Prophet never urinated in standing position" (Hanbel 6/136,192,213). This contradicts:
"The prophet urinated in standing position" (Bukhary 4/60,62).

3- "The prophet said, ‘The sun was eclipsed the day Ibrahim (the prophet’s son) died’… (Bukhary 7/page 118)
This contradicts:
"The prophet said, ‘the sun and moon are signs from God, they are not eclipsed for the death or life of any one" (Bukhari 2/page 24)

4- "If two Muslims fight each other with their swords, the killer and the killed will go to hell" (Bukhari 1/page 13, Muslim 18/page 10).
This hadith contradicts the hadith of the ten who were foretold that they will go to heaven by the prophet (Ahmad 1/page 187-188, also narrated by Abu Dawood and Al-Tarmazy). That is because among those ten were those who fought and killed one another in battle, specifically Ali, Talha and Al-Zobair. According to the first hadith they will go to hell but accoding to the second hadith they are foretold paradise!

5- In various hadith, specifically in the chapters of the ‘Hereafter’ in the books of Bukhary and Muslim we read numerous predictions by the prophet detailing what will take place there. This contradicts the hadith by Aesha, the prophet’s wife where she says "Anybody who says that Muhammad knows the future is a liar" (Bukhary 8/ page 166, Muslim 3/ page 9-10)

6- "The prophet said, ‘Take your religion from the words of Aesha (the prophet’s wife)"
This contradicts: "The prophet said, ‘Aesha is immature in mind and faith." (Bukhari and others)

The heart of the matter is directly connected to the following verse:

"Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from a source other than God, they would have detected within it numerous contradictions." 4:82

This verse confirms that anything that contains contradictions cannot be from God, and since the hadith contains numerous contradictions, as shown, it cannot be from God. But the hadith advocates claim that the hadith was inspired by God and that the hadith Al-Qudsy is God’s own words spoken to Muhammad! If that is so, how could they explain the contradictions in hadith? How could it be from God when it is full of contradictions? According to 4:82 nothing that contains contradictions can be from God.

To wiggle out of this tricky situation, the hadith advocates devised the concept of the abrogation of Quranic verses.

The plan was as such: If the Quran can be shown to contain contradictory verses, yet no one will dispute that it is from God, then the hadith with its contradictions can also be described to be inspired by God !!!

Quite a sly plot except for one minor detail:


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